43897 Views If you’ve heard someone mention proof marks or date codes when discussing a SIG Sauer pistol, but weren’t quite sure what those were, then the goal of this article is to bring you up to speed. And even if you’re already familiar with proof marks, maybe this article can broaden your knowledge and teach you something new. What are Proof Marks?
Proof marks are stamps embedded in certain parts of a firearm following (and sometimes during, depending on the firearm type) its manufacturing to indicate that the firearm has been “proven” to be able to handle the specific type of ammunition for which it was designed. In modern years, they truly do serve that purpose. But like many government regulations, their origins have more to do with self-interest than safety. The first proof marks started appearing in 15th century France, and by the 17th century, European firearms guildsmen were heavily promoting their use — and lobbying their governments for laws requiring them — primarily to dissuade competition from non-guildsmen and scare potential purchasers away from un-proofed guns. In 1637, after heavy lobbying from the London Gunmakers Company, a London-area firearms guild, King Charles I issued a Royal Charter setting firearms safety standards. The London Gunmakers Company set up a “proof house” in London, and not surprisingly firearms makers who were not part of a guild tended to fail testing more often than the guild members.
Guns that passed testing were stamped with a mark representing the proof house. Over the next few decades, other countries established their own safety standards and proof houses, along with their own unique marks. Much like reciprocity of modern concealed carry permits between states, some European countries began to recognize each others’ proof marks as a high enough testing standard for foreign countries’ firearms to be legally imported. Fast forward to 1914, when a number of European countries formed the as a formal standards group to ensure consistent testing among member countries. As of 2015, the CIP includes 14 member states. In order for a civilian firearm produced in a CIP member state to be legally imported to another CIP country, it must bear the proof mark of a CIP member state (military testing standards are, predictably, different than civilian ones). The United States does not participate in CIP, but instead formed its own standards group named.
While the CIP and SAAMI do share information and cooperate, neither has a requirement regarding selling in each other’s countries. Because the US is not a CIP member state, foreign guns do not need a CIP proof mark to be sold in the US, nor do US guns need a US proof mark to be sold in CIP member countries. This is an important fact that will become relevant again later in this article. Examples of German Proof Marks Here’s an assortment of mid 20th century proof marks used through Germany’s (and West Germany’s) history: The top row (a) indicates the German (or East/West German, depending on the year) city in which the proof house is located. The column marked (b) shows varios German/West German proof marks after 1945, while the column marked (c) shows German proof marks used from 1939-1945.
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Here’s another image showing the marks of German/West German proof houses, along with the approximate year they were first in use. Coat of arms of SchaumburgThe shape represents a Nesselblatt, or nettle leaf. Tradition held that the leaves of the nettle were symbolic of the nails used to crucify Christ, so the three larger leaves represent the nails of the crucifixion. All true German and West German SIGs were test fired at the Kiel proof house, so the Nesselblatt proof mark is an indicator of a true German or West German SIG.
I’ve also heard one report of the Ulm proof house’s stag antler mark appearing on a the frame and slide of a 1993 SIG P226 (in addition to the Kiel mark on the slide), which would imply that the firearm required repair and re-proofing and presumably the repair took place at a location that was closer to Ulm than Kiel. Normally, you’d expect to see the Ulm proof mark on a Walther or H&K firearm. The German Definitive Mark and Nitro Testing Underneath the Kiel Nesselblatt (though the order of the marks is not important), we find the image of an eagle with the letter “N” underneath. Some incorrectly believe that the eagle mark is a remnant of Nazi-era Germany, particularly since Germany’s firearms proof mark was a previously crown, and was changed to an eagle in 1939. In actuality, the German Reichsadler (literally “Eagle of the Realm”) dates back to the eagle on the standard of the Roman Empire, and was used as a symbol of the Second German Empire as early as 1871 long before the National Socialist German Workers’ Party.
The same eagle design has continued its use in West Germany since 1945, but under a new name of Bundesadler, or “Union Eagle.” The Eagle-N mark signifies that the firearm was proofed in Germany (or West Germany, depending on when the firearm was proofed), while the “N” indicates that the firearm was proofed using a Nitro Beschuss load. As “bombardment,” “shelling,” or “firing” depending on context, and “nitro” is short for “,” a highly flammable compound used to creates pressures inside the firearm higher than standard gun powder. Pistols are delivered to the proof houses in their fully assembled form for proofing. For pistols, CIP standards require cartridges that generate pressure 30% higher than the standard ammunition for which the pistol is designed, so the two high pressure nitro rounds are fired through the pistol. Technicians then disassemble the pistol and examine it in a dark room using a fluoroscopic lamp, looking for magnetic flux leakage. Provided everything looks good, the pistol is re-assembled and receives the country’s CIP proof mark indicating what type of test it passed (the Eagle-N or “definitive” mark in the case of a German gun), the mark of the proof house, and marks indicating the date of the tests.
The firearms is then returned to the manufacturer who can legally sell the firearm domestically or export it to another CIP country. The “nitro” proof mark is also referred to as the “definitive” (or final) mark of the proof house, as opposed to a “provisional” mark which would generally only apply to shotgun barrels in an early stage of manufacture, which are tested at proof houses to prevent the manufacturer from continuing work on defective tubes. Date Codes Looking back at our photo, the “JK” under the definitive proof mark is the date code. Date codes are two-letter indicators of the year that a firearm was proofed. Major German firearms companies such as Heckler and Koch, Walther, and SIG Sauer all used a similar date code format. German gun manufacturers used these letters in place of numbers for date codesJust to keep things interesting, SIG Sauer chose not to use the letter “I” because it looked too much like the numeral “1,” so J = 8 in SIG speak. The proof house in Koln (Cologne), Germany also follows this format.
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Walther and Heckler & Koch chose to use “I” for 8 but skip “J,” except that you will see a “J” on an H&K magazine’s date code. Gotta love German logic. П™‚ Using the above table, we can determine that the “JK” date code in the photo stands for “89” — meaning this firearm was proofed in 1989 which coincidentally happened to be the year the Berlin Wall came down. This doesn’t necessarily mean that the pistol was manufactured in 1989. It’s quite possible the barrel was made in 1986, the frame in 1987, and the slide in 1988 but that all the parts weren’t assembled together into a firearm and delivered to a proof house until 1989. Or it’s possible that all the parts were actually made in 1989, and then assembled and proofed that same year.
There’s no way to know. A true German / West German firearm isn’t technically “born” until it’s been proofed. Note that a gun’s date code is different than its serial number. It’s impossible to decode a SIG serial number to determine when it was proofed, although you can try to locate the range of your SIG’s serial number to approximate when it was made, or call SIG Sauer with the serial number and see if they have any info in their system.
Serial numbers aren’t always truly representative of the chronological order of a firearm, but they can sometimes get you close. Only a date code can tell you the year of proofing. Non-Proofed “Made in Germany” Guns If you’ve read my article on, you’ll know that proof marks are one of the primary indicators or whether a SIG Sauer (or any other firearm) is truly “made” in Germany (or West Germany) as opposed to assembled in the US using German-made parts even though the parts might be stamped “Made in Germany.” Because the US is not a CIP country, guns marked “Made in Germany” do not need to be proofed in order to be sold here, as long as they are assembled in the US. In my opinion, a gun without German proof marks (with very few exceptions) is not truly a German gun. Whether that actually affects the desirability or quality of the gun is for you to decide.
But you should at least be aware that for most SIG purists, the existence of proof marks is what determines whether a gun is correctly referred to as “Made in Germany.” Putting it All Together Now that you know how to decode proof marks and date codes, see if you can figure out where and when the following firearms were proofed. Most are SIGs, but I threw some other German guns in there just for fun.
I have two sig 938s. This gun could get you killed Beware. Both are have failed to extract at least one time per magazine. I purchased them both a few years ago and haven't shot till recently.
I have several other sigs that are great guns but the 938 is a POS. So after reading about them i called sig expecting them to say they would take care of the problem.
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It seams in the manufacturing date of the 938s i have all have that problem. I found that sig is a very bad company when it comes to backing there product.
I will never buy another sig again. I have two 938s that i paid close to 800 each for and all they are now is a paper weight. Sig said they can look at it if i paid for shipping 60.00 and had a credit card on file for work on it. Last Sig i Will Ever Buy You just Dont Buy the Gun you buy the company and this company does not back there product.
In previous threads on the 938 and 238, there was a gentleman that produced SS replacement triggers for the serrated plastic ones. His name was Glen Linsheid. Is he still available in any of these threads? Need to get one of those SS triggers installed in mine. Here's Glen's link for the triggers. I've got about 3K rounds thru my P938 with no problems other than a broken extractor at about 1,500 rounds. Easy fix and a $36 part.
I didn't want to bother to send it in and I usually do my own work anyway. I've heard of some Main Spring Housing wear on another forum but I haven't seen it on mine or any of the members at my club, including the club rental.
The main spring housings are $3 each so I keep one on hand just in case. Another easy fix.
As far as the recoil springs go, I had heard 1,200 to 1,400 rounds but then I talked to Sig CS a couple of times and they told me 5K. That seemed like a lot of rounds for a short pistol so I changed mine at 2K. I wasn't having any ejection problems but I'd still recommend the 1,200 to 1,400 rounds to avoid battering the frame.
They're cheap ($12) and come in a 3 pack along with 3 FP springs. Here's my Rosewood.
I have two sig 938s. This gun could get you killed Beware. Both are have failed to extract at least one time per magazine. I purchased them both a few years ago and haven't shot till recently. I have several other sigs that are great guns but the 938 is a POS. So after reading about them i called sig expecting them to say they would take care of the problem.
It seams in the manufacturing date of the 938s i have all have that problem. I found that sig is a very bad company when it comes to backing there product. I will never buy another sig again. I have two 938s that i paid close to 800 each for and all they are now is a paper weight. Sig said they can look at it if i paid for shipping 60.00 and had a credit card on file for work on it. Last Sig i Will Ever Buy You just Dont Buy the Gun you buy the company and this company does not back there product. First post Huh??
You paid 800 apiece??? You got screwed. I've had problems with Sigs before and Sig always paid shipping both ways. They took care of the problems without question. I have two 938's myself, no problems with either. I also run a pistol training company.
I've seen a lot of 938's and none of them have had problems either. You must be the most unlucky guy in the world. And go to the worst gun shop in the world too.
I have two sig 938s. This gun could get you killed Beware. Both are have failed to extract at least one time per magazine. I purchased them both a few years ago and haven't shot till recently. I have several other sigs that are great guns but the 938 is a POS. So after reading about them i called sig expecting them to say they would take care of the problem.
It seams in the manufacturing date of the 938s i have all have that problem. I found that sig is a very bad company when it comes to backing there product. I will never buy another sig again.
I have two 938s that i paid close to 800 each for and all they are now is a paper weight. Sig said they can look at it if i paid for shipping 60.00 and had a credit card on file for work on it. Last Sig i Will Ever Buy You just Dont Buy the Gun you buy the company and this company does not back there product. I would beg to disagree with your statement. I've never had any issues with the P938. The early models had issues due to having the P238 extractor, but that has been resolved. Sig Sauer customer support is very good and I have no reason to believe they would not stand behind their product.
Quote: I have three extremes, the first one had issues, was a jamb-o-matic, Sig fixed it, that now plus the other two have been flawless. Well if you ignore the crappy trigger. Compared to a good 1911? Compared to other pocket autos it may be the best as is if you think about it. A heavy single action is still better than any DAO and any pocket striker in my book. But there is something you can do about it.
Galloway Precision makes a $12 hammer spring replacement that takes the trigger pull from 8# down to 5#. They recommend avoiding steel ammo after the mod. They also make a smooth faced trigger that feels better than the stock serrated one. I'm getting this done to mine. I think the Sig P938 is the backup gun of choice for the 1911 or Browning toter what with the same manual of arms. Mine have been flawless through 4 range trips with various ammo and no cleaning. And now it's time for the story of the three little Sigs.
The first little Sig built his grips out of box elder burl. The second little Sig built his grips out of cocobolo. The third little Sig built his grips out of curly white oak. All from highfiguregrips.com who also make gorgeous 1911 grips. But for shooting/recoil reduction the rubber Hogues are best. The first time out with my 938 I had around 300 rounds of assorted 9mm; 115gr, 95gr, 147gr, ball, hollow point, military, +P, basically a bunch of leftovers. I had almost shot it all up with absolutely no malfunctions and decided to try and get it to jam.
I was holding it with an extreme limpwrist, basically two fingers and a weak grip, but it kept shooting. Then the trigger pull got terrible but it finished off the mag. I looked and the pin at the top of trigger was broken. That's where the crappy feel came from. Well I called Sig the next day and sent it out that night with a prepaid label. I had it back a week later, and I'm in Alaska mind you.
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Another 200 the next day and it was flawless. I have occasionally put another few hundred through it with nothing but a sore hand to report. My only complaint is the grip screws come loose, but that's nothing loctite won't fix. So to summarize, I love this gun and that was the best customer service I have ever had from a firearms manufacturer.
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P238 pistol manufactured by, Rosewood variant Type Place of origin. United States.
Switzerland Production history Manufacturer Unit cost $679.00 Produced 2009–current Specifications Weight 15.2 oz (430 g) Length 5.5 in (140 mm) length 2.7 in (69 mm) Width 1.1 in (28 mm) Height 3.9 in (99 mm) Feed system 6 or 7 (extended) round single Sights 3 dot white or, or Tru-Glo Fiberoptic (all model specific) The SIG Sauer P238 is a compact caliber, announced by at the 2009. It is modelled after the, similar to the. Grip panels are fluted polymer making this an all-metal frame firearm in competition with plastic-framed pistols in the same class like the and the. The P238 has an aluminum frame and a stainless steel slide (with the exception of the HD model which is all steel).
Initially, P238 pistols had standard sights with night sights as a more expensive option. However, all models currently produced have night sights standard. Starting in 2012, many variants have an ambidextrous thumb safety standard or as an option. Variants When introduced in 2009, the P238 was available in a matte black finish and a two-tone finish with a matte silver colored slide and black frame. Since then, SIG Sauer has produced a number of variants including some short run commemorative editions. Among the variants are versions with various finishes, with a stainless steel frame and different grips and embellishments.
Recalls In July 2009, SIG Sauer issued a recall of all P238s sold within a certain serial number range, which they referred to as a 'Mandatory Safety Upgrade'. The reason stated for the recall is that a small number of P238s were built with defective manual safety levers, leading to 'the remote possibility that the gun could fire unintentionally, thus creating a risk of injury or death', although SIG Sauer emphasized that no such injuries had actually occurred. According to SIG Sauer, the recall did not affect any pistols with a serial number that started with '27Axxxxx'.
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Originally Posted By RELOADER-BOB: Resq47 & Originally Posted By SkagSig40: My 229 has them but see my above post for my problem/question. All I have is a 226 and a 220 and both are maked with the 2 letter date code. Hold the pistol mag well opening up and look forward of the frame at the 1' or so of the exposed slide/barrel shroud and you'll see the 2 letters and the proof marks. Mine doesn't have any letters there, just a bunch of symbols. ETA: I was looking at the wrong way, mine was made in JJ, 88!
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